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    Happy to be alive

    As a final nail in the coffin to my incident in cloud last June, here are some images of the data from my old Enigma.



    GPS Track by flyingboy101, on Flickr

    I enter cloud and climb at the bottom right of the map.
    The serious of turns near the middle of the map were unfelt other than I thought I was doing a small turn and then straightening.
    Height goes from 1850 to 700ft in these 'loops'

    The turn at the top of the map is my sighting water and exiting cloud.
    The sharp tightening turn from heading SW'sh to flying NE (540' later) is the point where I see a vertical horizon on the Efis (Prior to this point the Efis showed a map).
    A few seconds later I straighen and let the bar go and I am forced into the seat as I come out the descent and climb with my height 300ft amsl....still in cloud.


    Along the X-axis, time in seconds.
    I enter cloud and climb at around 4780 (just under 80 minutes into the flight.)
    I exit cloud and am level at about 5500 (about 91 minutes)
    Below is the rate of turn in degrees per minute.


    Rate of turn by flyingboy101, on Flickr

    Bank angle. At the point of the high rate of turn in the previous image the bank angle is -90'

    Bank angle by flyingboy101, on Flickr

    To remain outside the cloud (which was actually a rain shower) I have to fly at around 50 > 200ft


    Height by flyingboy101, on Flickr

    Flying coast to coast to coast of the USA April/May 2018 in G-BZIM

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    “everybody dies, but not everybody lives” .... The quote that led to my first microlight flight, August 2012.


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    Glad you made it out safely mate.

    And what your are saying IS that the Artificial Horizon on your Enigma saved you?
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    Yep, if I hadn't seen it, vertical, the moment I did, I'd never had known to yank that bar from the right. I felt no sensation of descending never mind spiralling.

    Flying coast to coast to coast of the USA April/May 2018 in G-BZIM

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    “everybody dies, but not everybody lives” .... The quote that led to my first microlight flight, August 2012.



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    I bet you bought a lottery ticket after that flight?
    300' away from CFIT?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyingboy View Post
    Yep, if I hadn't seen it, vertical, the moment I did, I'd never had known to yank that bar from the right. I felt no sensation of descending never mind spiralling.
    Firstly, I'm glad you're here to tell the tale. I've attended too many flying funerals over the years.

    Yes, that's what I meant in the other cloud thread about false cues: they can be either "I feel I'm turning" when I'm not or like you had, "I'm flying straight" when in fact you were in a steep turn.

    Thank you very much for your contribution to the discussion. I also think it's worth a CHIRP report - I've made several and even when I've reported being very naive and stupid they have been understanding and polite.

    Joan



    Back to just bimbling in the TST.

    No longer instructing - just pontificating..


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    Excuse me but what is a CHIRP report?

    thank ypu for all this info & experience on this thread ( sorry this and 'caught above')great for a newb
    Last edited by DavidR; 19-02-15 at 20:05 PM.


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    I knew roughly what CHIRP reports are but thought it better to look it up so see here: https://www.chirp.co.uk/

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    Good link - I assumed people would know. The full collection of their newsletters is here: https://www.chirp.co.uk/newsletters/general-aviation


    Joan



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    Thanks for posting....

    So after 6 months or so to think about it if you were in the same situation what would you do differently?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MadamBreakneck View Post
    Firstly, I'm glad you're here to tell the tale. I've attended too many flying funerals over the years.

    Yes, that's what I meant in the other cloud thread about false cues: they can be either "I feel I'm turning" when I'm not or like you had, "I'm flying straight" when in fact you were in a steep turn.

    Thank you very much for your contribution to the discussion. I also think it's worth a CHIRP report - I've made several and even when I've reported being very naive and stupid they have been understanding and polite.

    Joan

    Thanks for you thanks...lol...

    Ehm, CHIRP, the dilemma regarding my original post way back is nothing compared to the dilemma I am struggling with in vocalising my stupid self induced situation to the whole pilot community to rip to sheds.....

    I am sure they would be polite in response to me, but we all know what they'd be thinking...lol......


    But ... I am still undecided..........

    Flying coast to coast to coast of the USA April/May 2018 in G-BZIM

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    “everybody dies, but not everybody lives” .... The quote that led to my first microlight flight, August 2012.



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