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    Hello, I've done the Channel crossing several times now in an AX3 and my Savannah. I've had an X-air waiting for me to bring it across to France since the end of last year after being held up by bad weather and more recently by Covid-19 and I'm hoping to eventually do the flight in June. All that you can do to prepare for the crossing is make sure that your aircraft and engine are in good mechanical shape - not just for the crossing but for every flight. That way you know that crossing the Channel is just like any other flight that you do - it'll only take 20 minutes or so so if you are confident that your aircraft will do that without problems over land, why should it let you down over the water?

    On the other hand, if you don't keep your aircraft in good shape as a matter of routine you have no right to think that it won't let you down just as for any flight that you will do over land. Engine failures of well-maintained aircraft that are flown conservatively are very rare (excluding Jabirus that is...). Mind you, I do have to say that in my 8 years in France, I have come across one or two ULMs that, let's just say, haven't been maintained up to the level that I like mine to be

    I would add that when crossing from south to north, I've always already done several hours so if everything has been fine up to then, what is another 20 minutes over the water? The other direction is a bit different though, as I've always been flying from an airfield close to the Channel and the time to reach the coast is little more than the time for the crossing, so then I do find myself watching and listening more carefully for anything that might be amiss.

    My next crossing in the X-air will be like that as the aircraft is hangared only a few minutes from the coast, so my plan will be to do an hour or so's test flight the day before so I'm confident that all is well.
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    Good sensible post Roger.

    I've flown across the water a few times now in 2 or 3 different microlights the first was in a Jab powered Thruster, I've never really worried about being over water, as Roger says if the aircraft is looked after and flies well over land, it doesn't know if it's over water so the risk of failure doesn't change just the fact that if it did fail over water try and land near a small boat or be seen to land by one of the ferries that frequent the channel.
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    I suppose we could loop the thread back to [here].

    There's a through non-microlight discussion of the topic on Pprune from a few years back.

    Most crossing will be uneventful. It's the rest that worry me.



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    A Cirrus has just come down in the Solent...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randombloke View Post
    A Cirrus has just come down in the Solent...
    [irony]
    Serves them right for not using a Rotax 912 - they never fail in flight.
    [/irony]

    Glad to read they had no serious injuries.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MadamBreakneck View Post
    [irony]
    Serves them right for not using a Rotax 912 - they never fail in flight.
    [/irony]

    Glad to read they had no serious injuries.
    I had thoughts along similar lines. Another thing, why do we see such a disproportionate number of reports of Cirruses coming down but not so many of other aircraft without parachutes? Is it because the designers know that the engine they use is errr.... inherently less reliable? I only ask...
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    Stick a cirrus into a stall and it won't behave nicely, throw in a flat spin and the chute to an average p1 seems the only way to go...
    G-HAMS a pretty quick Quik


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    Cirrus, not surprisingly, deny that. They do, however, recommend the parachute over an 'off-airport' landing.

    Ref: http://www.whycirrus.com/engineering/stall-spin.aspx



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    Shouldn't laugh at people's mistakes/misfortune, but I had to laugh reading this thread today having watched part of a (totally tongue-in-cheek) vid last night refuting the idea that Cirrus were single use aircraft, and in fact contrary to popular belief they can in fact be landed and re-used

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_T_nINO0e4&

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Calvert View Post
    Shouldn't laugh at people's mistakes/misfortune, but I had to laugh reading this thread today having watched part of a (totally tongue-in-cheek) vid last night refuting the idea that Cirrus were single use aircraft, and in fact contrary to popular belief they can in fact be landed and re-used

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_T_nINO0e4&
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