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    Back seat of a Shadow

    Are there dual controls? And is it a nice place to be? I want to fly with my sons (now all bigger than me)
    We've gone on holiday by mistake


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    I'm 6'1" and about 14 stone. There is no way I can be comfortable in the back of a Shadow. View out isn't good I'm told (I don't know myself, never having got to get in).
    Pity as I'm told they are lovely aeroplanes.
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    Im 63 and likewise, no way I can get in the back. In fact, I cant fit in a Jab UL450 either without big discomfort. If youre looking for something to accommodate a taller pilot or passenger, you really must try before you buy, and Id suggest sitting in it for a good while to be sure. I did squeeze myself into the Jab, but knew within about ten mins of take off it was a mistake, and I could hardly walk after about a 45min flight!


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    I've not been in the back of a Shadow myself, but I'm told it is a noisy place to be. There is a 2 stroke engine bolted to the bulkhead directly behind the passengers head!
    G-BZNP Still not dead


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    Most Shadows have dual controls. I disliked the back seat of a Shadow enough to refuse to instruct in them. I loved the front seat though.

    I only had a few hours in them and never really got to grips with ground handling via the castering nosewheel and differential braking. Regular users find it fine though, I'm told.


    There's a knack to getting in the back as well... something like: get nosewheel held onto the ground*, then 1) in head first 2) head out other side 3) manoeuvre lower body and legs in 4) fold self and bring head back in 5) sit with chin on knees and fasten seat belt.

    * the Shadow sits on its tail unless there is weight on the front seat.



    Back to just bimbling in the TST.

    No longer instructing - just pontificating..
    and now a Tai Chi instructor


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    My buddy used to instruct in Shadows. He is 6ft and ~13 stone. He's still sane (almost).
    He says they are good to instruct in as they are very forgiving of bad handling (like a Cessna 152 of the microlight world).
    There are dual controls in most (but not all) Shadows.
    Some have duplicate ASIs above the P1 head.
    There is a knack to getting in and out.
    It is noisy - good headset required.
    Later versions with transparency between seats is better than the tunnel vision created by the earlier obscure plywood band.

    On initial ground handling instruction, he used to sit the student in the front, plug in the second headset and walk alongside whilst the student taxied up and down the runway.


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